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So I was rereading Diana Wynne Jones' Fire and Hemlock, which I have done about once a year since I was maybe eleven, and I was thinking about the ending.

Which is a famously obscure ending, in the sense that I have spoken with several people who aren't clear on what actually happens, and if what, then not why. And I have always had a clear sense-- well, not of being *certain* about the ending, not enough to theorize about it or explain it to anybody, but that it had an emotional logic to it that was sufficiently compelling to me that I rested satisfied on that.

Only, this last read-through I'd been noticing that the emotional logic felt strangely familiar, and not in the I-have-read-this-book-a-zillion-times way, but in the I-have-been-spending-a-great-deal-of-time-thinking-about-something-identical-to-this-which-wasn't-this way (which is of course a much rarer sensation), and I had that metaphorical sense of having a word on the tip of my tongue, what was it, I had it a moment ago, any second now...

And then it clicked, and now I feel confident in saying not only that the ending of Fire and Hemlock makes perfect sense, but that I can explain it; and I have independent corroboration, for I found an excerpt from an article Jones wrote which confirmed my reading, and here is the relevant sentence: "Starting with what I felt about heroes and the heroic, I went on to describe my passion for cello music and how a rereading of Eliot's Four Quartets sparked the actual book and gave rise to the presence of a quartet of musicians in it."*

And I said, ha! Now I can do an explicatory write-up!

And then I thought, wait, no, this is probably one of those things everybody who reads DWJ eventually finds out-- the article is dated 2004, other people must have been paying attention when she started talking about it, more than I was as I am bad at these things-- and I just missed it, so there wouldn't be any point.

Should I?

* And if anyone has access to either the rest of this article or to the paper on Fire and Hemlock that DWJ mentions having given at the end of the paragraph I quoted, I would be most grateful to be able to read that.

Date: 2007-11-13 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yhlee.livejournal.com
Please write it up! I at least would be enlightened.

Date: 2007-11-13 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cija.livejournal.com
Write it up for the love of god! please!

I don't need to understand things in order to be happy with them, which is lucky, because I hardly ever understand anything, but I always thought Jones did fantastic, amazing endings. I think the obscurity that bothers lots of people is the same thing that gives me the happy feeling that something very complicated and mysterious has happened, so complicated and mysterious that I couldn't even say what it is. Which is not to say I wouldn't be very happy to find out.

Date: 2007-11-13 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
Seconded. And also, that sort of musical analogy is not self-evident to me.

(and also, great icon! great movie! happy to meet [livejournal.com profile] cija, who is clearly a person of taste and discernment)

Date: 2007-11-13 05:16 am (UTC)
sovay: (Lord Peter Wimsey: passion)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Should I?

Yes; I have seen the statement to which you refer, but I still want to read your thoughts about Fire and Hemlock. I mean, come on.

Date: 2007-11-13 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jedibl.livejournal.com
Having access to academic libraries is awesome. I have a copy of the article you want. I'll send it along to the most recent e-mail address I have for you. If you don't get it, my contact info for you is most likely outdated.

Date: 2007-11-13 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
At the moment-- I don't know if this is the one you have-- it is this LJ username, no spaces breaks caps or underscores, at gmail.

And thank you so very much!

Date: 2007-11-13 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineweaving.livejournal.com
I would love to read this.

Nine

Date: 2007-11-13 05:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2007-11-13 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
Of course I want to read it! You tease.

Date: 2007-11-13 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
Yes please!

Date: 2007-11-13 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Say more. You know we want you to.

Date: 2007-11-13 11:34 am (UTC)
kate_nepveu: sleeping cat carved in brown wood (Default)
From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu
I haven't read it, but there were several people over here: http://kate-nepveu.livejournal.com/265643.html that would love such a thing.

Date: 2007-11-13 12:18 pm (UTC)
octopedingenue: (sai wrapped up in books)
From: [personal profile] octopedingenue
Tell! Tell! I haven't read the article and now I would rather hear it in your own words.

Date: 2007-11-13 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oracne.livejournal.com
Whatever you post, it will be in your words, so you might as well post if you want, and we will read and enjoy.

Date: 2007-11-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
ext_12911: This is a picture of my great-grandmother and namesake, Margaret (officinalis)
From: [identity profile] gwyneira.livejournal.com
Yes, please! I love the book, but I do find the ending a little less than understandable.

Date: 2007-11-13 09:47 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
If the above coyote chorus hasn't decided you, then my yelp won't help, will it?

Not that I can stop from yipping.

---L.

Date: 2007-11-13 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] radiotelescope.livejournal.com
Yes please.

I have always had the sense that I *got* it, but it is not a clear sense and I don't think I can expositate upon it.

Date: 2007-11-14 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com
I'd love it if you did.

Date: 2007-11-15 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orawnzva.livejournal.com
Definitely interested.

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