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B.: "One extreme of science fiction is called hard science fiction, but one extreme of fantasy is called high fantasy. What do you think of that?"

Me: "It makes me want to write high science fiction, and hard fantasy, if only we can figure out what they are."

B.: "Well, there already is hard fantasy. The Worm Ouroboros..."

Then the conversation went into whether he meant simple difficulty, or something more along the lines of hardcore, or something else entirely, so we never figured out:

what is high science fiction? Does anyone know any?

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