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A useful primer to what is known about the Etruscan language, i.e. not actually all that much. The longest surviving inscription in Etruscan is one thousand two hundred words long; I suspect these book reviews of averaging longer than that. And we've no literature at all, it's entirely inscription and this one segment of devotional liturgy that was found on some mummy wrappings.

And apparently the grammar is sufficiently theoretical that Bonfante can remark that as of 1975 a complete Etruscan grammar was 'entirely conjectural', which if you have spent much time with the classics you know means 'OMG STOP MAKING SUCH WILD SPECULATIONS'.

I had known pretty much nothing at all before reading this book, though, which is rather sad considering my fields of study, so nearly nothing is better than nothing. I had not known, for example, that Etruscan is not an Indo-European language. It's a complete isolate unrelated to anything except maybe an obscure dialect from Lemnos, which has caused some difficulties in interpretation (/understatement).

I had also not had a good list of Greek words that shifted into Etruscan, Etruscan words that shifted into Latin, and, importantly, Greek words that shifted through Etruscan into Latin. The alphabet itself shifted through Etruria from Greece into its Roman form, apparently, and the Etruscans added a letter for f (as opposed to φ, which this book takes as p-aspirate) and started that Latin habit of differentiating k-in-front-of-u as q. Also Etruscan had no long vowels at all, which does a lot to explain the Roman macron system to me as it is not logically descended from the Greek.

Good discussion here too of the context of the inscriptions and dedications we do have, which are focused around mirrors, seals, gems, and funerary offerings; some of the mirrors are quite lovely and also have very mythologically interesting carvings, and the names of the gods do some impressive phonetic shifts. As in, the Etruscan equivalent of Greek Dionysus and Latin Bacchus is Fufluns, which amazes me.

I think my favorite Etruscan-to-Latin derivation is cera, wax, which of course has come into English via the Latin sine cere, 'without wax', i.e. this pottery has not been patched back together in a fraudulent fashion and is therefore sincere. So there's your daily Etruscan.

All in all a very useful little book. It even has an article on Oscan, which was the principal Indo-European non-Latin dialect of central Italy, has its own alphabet, and about which we know even less. Extremely handy reference as a starting point for looking into Etruscan versions of classical mythology, which is probably the direction I'm going with it.

Oh, and they weren't Etruscans. They were Rasna, or Rasenna. Etruscan is the Roman name. But so it goes.

Date: 2010-10-29 07:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yhlee
This book sounds fantastic but is it going to be accessible if you don't have a lick of Greek and only very very elementary Latin? *wist*

Date: 2010-11-02 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yhlee
Oh, yay! Thanks for letting me know.

Date: 2010-11-01 10:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fulselden
This is fascinating - especially the bit about the etymology of wax (though I thought the idea was that sculptors smoothed over statues with wax - same idea, I guess). Also: Fufluns - heh!

I'm also glad to know that this doesn't need Greek...

Date: 2010-10-30 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
I know, right? Fufluns!

Date: 2010-10-29 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Has the theory that it's part of a lost language group of which Basque is also a part become obsolete?

Date: 2010-10-30 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
Yup. The current theory goes with Dionysius of Halicarnassus's assertion that Etruscan resembles nothing. The languages and language groups that people vaguely suspect might be related to it are Minoan, Luwian from Anatolia (in which case it would be Indo-European, meaning this is not a popular theory because it's widely accepted that Etruscan isn't Indo-European) and Phrygian. It's definitely related to Lemnian but we only have three hundred words of that. Basque is nowadays regarded as Right Out.

Date: 2010-10-29 12:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
Etruscan, Larissa Bonfante

Yay.

As in, the Etruscan equivalent of Greek Dionysus and Latin Bacchus is Fufluns, which amazes me.

Yes. I have always loved Fufluns. (Not as much as I love Caius Fuficius Fango, however.)

About two years ago, I spent several months looking up as much on the Etruscan language as I could. I wish there were more, but I think so does everybody.

Date: 2010-10-30 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
There's a very good mirror in the Bonfante with Vanth on it.

Date: 2010-10-30 01:00 am (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
There's a very good mirror in the Bonfante with Vanth on it.

I will have to find a picture of that. Where is the actual mirror?

Did she mention the Pyrgi Tablets? They're bilingual in Etruscan and Punic.

Date: 2010-10-29 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyderqueen.livejournal.com
Oooh, I'm gonna have to find this!

Date: 2010-10-30 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
It's very good!

Date: 2010-10-29 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
I actually knew about Fufluns -- from Jennifer Crusie. (Wild Ride.)

Date: 2010-10-30 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
*blinks*

*adds that particular Crusie to library list*

Date: 2010-10-31 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
It's one of the ones with a co-author, which are not as good as her solo work, but I enjoyed it. (Also am not saying the Etruscan god stuff was in any way accurate.)

Date: 2010-10-29 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashnistrike.livejournal.com
Very cool. We are just starting our Latin studies, so knowing something about where Latin gets its roots is particularly interesting.

Date: 2010-10-30 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
There's actually a really complex history of Latin cross-pollination with Etruscan of which I was unaware-- Etruscan didn't die until pretty late and hung on as an academic/religious language (the way Latin does now) until ridiculously late; the last recorded usage of it on a public religious occasion was in 404 A.D.. So there's all this stuff that came from Etruscan into Latin and back and forth and back, shifting vowels all the way...

I really wish the Emperor Claudius' History of the Etruscans had survived. It was apparently meticulously researched and his first wife was Etruscan.

Date: 2010-10-30 01:01 am (UTC)
sovay: (Psholtii: in a bad mood)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I really wish the Emperor Claudius' History of the Etruscans had survived.

I know.

Date: 2010-12-08 02:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have been reading through your book reviews, and finding them very witty and charming. HOWEVER, the derivation of sincere from sine cera is a mythological etymology that is irritatingly widespread. It is in fact from the Latin sincerus, meaning pure, which originally was used to mean an un-hybridized plant: http://www.word-detective.com/061202.html (scroll down to "Waxing and Weasling"). Sorry about being nitpicky, but I'm kind of neurotic about this derivation, especially after Dan Brown used it in two of his books.

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