rushthatspeaks: (sparklepony only wants to read)
[personal profile] rushthatspeaks
to notice that Edmund's arc in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is an in some ways perfectly straightforward retelling of Kay's arc in 'The Snow Queen'. In other ways not so straightforward, and Gerda doesn't come into it at all, because Aslan, but the beginning and middle of the fairytale are spot-on.

Date: 2017-04-20 03:48 am (UTC)
yhlee: snowflake (StoryNexus: snowflake)
From: [personal profile] yhlee
Huh. That is an excellent point! I hadn't noted that either.

(I wouldn't have caught it anyway because I read "The Snow Queen" after The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.)

Meanwhile, after we read The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe for class in 3rd grade, the teacher brought in Turkish Delight for the class. I was the only one in the class to refuse to eat any because I was so terrified. It wasn't until years later, visiting Greece, that I chinned up and bought a box of Turkish Delight in some confectionary to try...and then I discovered I didn't even like it. :p

Date: 2017-04-21 12:37 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
I get the bewitched by a beautiful snow woman aspect, and he is delivered from the enchantment, but I feel the differences outweigh the similarities. Edmund starts out cranky and full of resentments, whereas Kay starts out loving and good-natured, and only changes when he gets the mirror splinters in his eye and heart. Kay is off stage for a huge chunk of The Snow Queen, whereas Edmund is active all the time, first doing various betrayals and then fighting on his siblings' and Aslan's side. Also, the part about Gerda seems really big ... she's indefatigable, but she's also super vulnerable and weak, so that the only way she succeeds is through the aid of all sorts of outsiders--but those outsiders do aid her, because of her good heart, which is part of Andersen's whole point, I suspect. Whereas we know what point Lewis was making with Edmund's rescue...

Date: 2017-04-21 02:02 am (UTC)
landofnowhere: (Default)
From: [personal profile] landofnowhere
Yes, and yet the underlying ideas that the authors have about gender roles and puberty and how it corrupts/changes people are rather different.

Date: 2017-04-21 02:13 am (UTC)
landofnowhere: (Default)
From: [personal profile] landofnowhere
Like, I want to see Kay's coldness, scorn for childish things, and inability to see beauty, as the gender-flipped mirror of Susan's obsession with "lipstick and nylons". But I think I may be filtering this through modern retellings (eg Kara Dalkey's "The Lady of the Ice Garden").

Date: 2017-04-21 02:23 am (UTC)
landofnowhere: (Default)
From: [personal profile] landofnowhere
Also Charles Wallace Murry in Wrinkle in Time feels like a similar arc. Like Kay he starts out and ends sickeningly sweet, and like Edmund his weakness is his intellectual hubris. And Meg, of course, is his Gerda.

Date: 2017-04-21 04:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] conuly
That is a common reaction from people who grew up in a place where Turkish Delight isn't common. "Edmund craved this!?" For this reason, I've never tried the stuff - I learned my lesson when I had a chance to taste Maniac Magee's butterscotch krimpets.

Date: 2017-04-22 05:16 am (UTC)
zeborah: Zebra against a barcode background, walking on the word READ (books)
From: [personal profile] zeborah
I quite like it. I mean, I wouldn't betray my siblings over it, but then a) I haven't been living for years under war-time rationing where sugar of any kind is a luxury, and b) the kind you get in the shops here isn't magically enchanted. :-)

Date: 2017-04-22 05:23 am (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Then you can have my share. I'm definitely not risking it :)

(But more baklava, please!)

Though... if LWW takes place during the evacuation, shouldn't that be the start of the war? I've never worked out the timeline, though.
Edited Date: 2017-04-22 05:23 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-22 06:01 am (UTC)
zeborah: Zebra against a barcode background, walking on the word READ (books)
From: [personal profile] zeborah
Hmm, good points. I'm no history expert but Wikipedia Says Operation Pied Piper started 1 Sept 1939, while sugar rationing began 8 January 1940. OTOH a second evacuation started June 1940, and there was 'assisted private evacuation' when the Blitz began in Sept 1940. The book says they left London "because of the air raids" which admittedly might mean either 'expected air raids' or 'air raids that nearly killed them last night (as depicted in the movie for visual and dramatic effect). But it seems quite plausible that there's been rationing for at least six months by the start of the book.

Date: 2017-04-28 06:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lokifan
Yes! The disappointment when I tried Turkish delight was SO DEEP :(

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